Integrated Wisdom

Soulful Chats with Psychologist Rosie Hart

• Tatiana Da Silva • Episode 52

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In this enlightening Soulful Chats episode of Integrated Wisdom, host Tatiana dives deep with guest Rosie Hart, a psychologist and educator on a mission to integrate spirituality into her work. 

Key Highlights

  • Rosie's journey of integrating spirituality into her work as a psychologist and educator
  • The transformative power of personal spiritual experiences in professional settings
  • Exploring the intersection of psychology, education, and spirituality
  • How spiritual insights can enhance learning and personal growth
  • Brief mention of Rosie's "Soul Series" as an extension of her integrated approach
  • The future of holistic education and psychology

Topics Explored

  • The catalyst for Rosie's spiritual awakening and its impact on her career
  • Challenges and breakthroughs in integrating spirituality into mainstream psychology and education
  • Practical applications of spiritual principles in learning environments
  • The concept of lifelong learning through a spiritual lens

You can find Rosie at www.ilearnforlife.com 

To join the waitlist for her 'Soul Series' books, please click the below link: 

https://courses.ilearnforlife.com/p/books

Recommended Books:

The Power of Now, Eckart Tolle
https://www.amazon.com.au/Power-Now-Guide-Spiritual-Enlightenment/dp/1577314808/ref=asc_df_1577314808/?tag=googleshopdsk-22&linkCode=df0&hvadid=341744868201&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3777633546099368190&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9071831&hvtargid=pla-432561979413&psc=1&mcid=aba9d280fc923b92b0e97d61b44ecb75

Letters to a Starseed, Rebecca Campbell

https://www.amazon.com.au/Letters-Starseed-Messages-Activations-Remembering/dp/1401963323/ref=asc_df_1401963323/?tag=googleshopdsk-22&linkCode=df0&hvadid=464143480251&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1649346515590688532&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9071831&hvtargid=pla-1212284645751&psc=1&mcid=b3b1a1c80fb1301b9a2b08d43bee5bf3

Becoming Supernatural, Dr Joe Dispenza

https://www.amazon.com.au/Becoming-Supernatural-Common-People-Uncommon-ebook/dp/B0746RN3G7

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Tatiana:

Welcome to the Integrated Wisdom Podcast. I am your host, Tatyana Da Silva. Join me as we discuss what it means to live an integrated life and explore ways for you to create a life filled with greater meaning, peace, and connection by integrating the wisdom of spirituality, psychology, Neuroscience, Epigenetics and Energy Psychology are hoped to empower you to create deeper and more loving connections with yourself and others, whilst also paving the way for humanity at large to be reimagined and inspired to become the very best version of itself. Hello and welcome to the Integrated Wisdom Podcast. Thank you so much for joining me for yet another week. This week I have another episode of my monthly Soulful Chats and I'm really excited to be joined by my colleague and one of my course alumni, Rosie Hart. Rosie is a psychologist and educational consultant who deeply believes in the transformative power of learning to help individuals unlock a validating and engaging life. Her expertise spans from orchestrating engaging online programs to providing personalized coaching, all aimed at unlocking an individual's full potential. With a Master's of Learning Science and Technology from the University of Sydney, she utilizes innovative approaches to designing adaptive learning environments in corporate and educational spheres for both parents, educators, and young people alike. she's passionate about nurturing a deep seated love for lifelong learning in her students, fostering not only their outcome based performance, both academic growth and competence, but also in their personal and emotional development as global citizens of the world. She brings a wealth of knowledge and heartfelt engagement and a commitment to excellence that supports the students in transcending their limitations and enhancing their learning goals. Welcome, Rosie. It's so exciting to have you here today. Thank you for agreeing to join me.

Rosie:

Thank you so much for having me, Tatiana.

Tatiana:

So why don't you tell our listeners a little bit more about yourself?

Rosie:

Uh, yes, so, my role well, it's vast. I am a mother, first and foremost, and a loving partner and wife. I also work in the psychology space, but predominantly in the facilitation, education, training and development. In those types of roles, I have been, uh, working both for myself and in a corporate setting for the last 14 years. And I just completed your conscious therapist course, which I very much appreciated. And it really continued to unlock the conversation of the integration of spirituality into work. And specifically as a psychologist, but also more holistic, holistically into life itself. So thank you for that.

Tatiana:

Oh, no, it was so wonderful to have you. It was such a great group of women and to see everybody, you know, contributing their own perspectives and experiences, I think has been really heartwarming. And encouraging to see that there are so many of us out there in this sphere, right, in the psychological sphere, in whichever modality we work from, that feel this deep yearning to talk about spirituality in the work that we do. So why don't you tell me a little bit about what's first sparked your interest in spirituality?

Rosie:

Yes. I, I think that question is a little bit difficult to answer because. It's always been there, I would say all my life, but there were moments in that journey that's reignited the spark you know, from the very, very beginning, my earliest, earliest memory which would be aligned to a spiritual memory was that I had an imaginary friend who was incredibly real to me, not imaginary at all. Very physically real and, and there in times when I needed him. And so over my life, as I develop more of a rational self that sort of took the forefront, but there's, there've definitely been times in my life where I've come across the path of someone who has reignited and reminded me of that core spirituality Along my journey. And I think it really started to accelerate for me when I had my second child and and after I had him, we had a situation in our lives where we were confronted with conversations around death. So I have two children and my oldest one's good friend's father passed suddenly and at six, I Yeah, five years old he was at the time. The conversation around death was straight in my face and what do we say? How do we respond to it? And it really challenged me to clarify my. Beliefs and my spiritual side to, to be able to answer that for him. And so I think of late that it was that, uh, conversation around what happens when you die with my child and, and his friend as well, that really accelerated the I know it sounds corny and people use it a lot, but the awakening or the, the unlocking of this inside me.

Tatiana:

Oh, wow. How fascinating. And it's, it's so curious to me because you're, you're not the first guest I've had on that has mentioned how motherhood in particular has played a really key role in their spiritual, uh, I mean, awakening and like,

Rosie:

A growth, a development, yeah.

Tatiana:

Yeah, it's really fascinating. Really fascinating. I think next, next year in May for Mother's Day, I'm going to get all of you ladies together and we'll do a panel on this because it has come up a lot.

Rosie:

Yeah, I, I have listened to a couple of your other uh, podcasts on this and I think, the, it was really interesting to hear the similarities in, in experiences and and the impact that motherhood has on this, this journey towards. Self discovery and what I call learning. I mean, for me, it's very, that's the key word for me. It's all about learning. And so it's been, yeah, it's been great. It's been challenging. It's been all, all of, all of the different emotions really.

Tatiana:

Uh, no, there is definitely something very, very sacred, I guess, about motherhood in whichever form it takes, right? Like that I can see how it plays a key role. very crucial role, not only the person's individual spiritual journey, but also in the role that they play in guiding other, you know, little souls developing into this world.

Rosie:

And that's really key to the, probably part of the reason that I've. I'm here and, and what I talk about is that it became so clear that others, particularly children need to have the language and the ways to make sense of themselves in the world. As we come up about, you actually say it, you know, many people say it, we are souls living a human experience. It's about integrating those things and why not start those conversations young, when kids are asking about, you know, death and big life challenges and changes that are happening and anxiety from school and things like that. So

Tatiana:

Absolutely.

Rosie:

really what has not just sparked my interest, but accelerated it into something that I have to, you know, now be authentic to express, I think is the other thing for me. Uh, I would say that I would have predominantly been in the spiritual closet for many years.

Tatiana:

As many of us have been.

Rosie:

Yes. And having these conversations. with my children has really brought it out to, you know, speak authentically to what what I believe and what I feel to be true.

Tatiana:

Yeah. How beautiful to be that role model for them, right? So that they can, they can grow already having a strong sense of their spiritual self. I think children are naturally, you know, quite spiritual and then we, life and society and conditioning kind of bashes that out of them a little bit. So to be able to foster that in them so young is a, is a wonderful thing. So it sounds like your, your journey, your process has been quite gradual and organic, but if you had to pick like an initial spiritual concept that started your, your true exploration with spirituality, what would you say that was?

Rosie:

It would have been the concept of death.

Tatiana:

Okay.

Rosie:

so the, the typical, many people go through it, that existential crisis of what happens. When we die. And, and also I think living a life of unsatisfied purpose. So I guess to say that in another way, I have always questioned what is my purpose, my whole life. And I felt like I've needed to know, and I've needed to understand that. And as different things have come along in my life, even children, I realized that it. It isn't my purpose to be a mother or to be a psychologist or that purpose actually comes from deep within, within yourself and the message was really around your purpose is to be here. Your purpose is to be present. Your purpose is to learn and evolve and to change and to be. When I started aligning that sense of purpose internally and combining it with an understanding of what happens when you die, because I felt like I needed a point for it all. What is the point of all these things that happen in life? Uh, the good and the bad. And then why does it all end? And what happens when it all ends? And what was the whole point? And these questions. And so. really came very strongly to the front of my brain and, and so it was death that was the trigger that people die, and I've had people in my life pass away. And I think the, the flip side of that is, well, so what do you do about it to To make some meaning of the time that we have here and what is it about? And how that came to be was through meditation and the development of meditation, I should say. It was not a skill that came naturally to me at all. So another part of the spiritual journey that really impacted me was. First learning to meditate, learning to be present. And in my journey, I had to learn that as a skill, like learning to ride a bike. It was not straightforward. It was not easy. And it, it, it's taken years to get to a point where I can switch off from the, The physical world and get into that place of peace and presence and meditation.

Tatiana:

Yeah. Wow. I mean, meditation can be hard for so many people, can't it? Yeah. And it's interesting that you found an approach that obviously worked for you.

Rosie:

Yes, well it's been a sequential approach. It's been a gradual approach. It's, it's been a learned approach and this is back to my, my piece on learning. It was something that I had to learn and it would have been one of my life lessons, learning to be present. And it wasn't something that just came naturally. Easily, but it now, and I took it to the extent of when I had my children, I used hypnobirthing as a way to give birth because I already started to recognize the power of meditation. A number of years ago, I got very sick and one of the, the tools that got me out of that sickness was meditation. It changed my, my physical health and helped me to heal. So it was. It became something that was very powerful for me that I had learned to do. And because I had learned it, I felt a great sense of accomplishment because it was something that back many years ago, you know, probably 30 years ago, 25 years ago, it wouldn't have been something I was even capable of. I remember these let's meditate sessions and we'd all lie down and I'd just be going, Oh, why can't I do this? What is wrong with me? I just can't stop. And So yeah, I think the, the trigger was the dealing with death and then the strategy was being present and meditating. And that's what really started to help me listen to my intuition in a less biased way.

Tatiana:

Oh, wow. How fascinating. So, from your experience or your perspective, what have been the benefits for you personally in starting to open up to your spiritual essence? Yeah. Thanks.

Rosie:

Well, one of the really big benefits was I've always been really challenged with anxiety and depression because Going through school, I had learning challenges and disabilities, so to speak, but I would call them differences. And I lived a life of feeling incompetent and feeling that I couldn't achieve certain things and it created a lot of anxiety. And the most profound benefit of combining the, the spiritual beliefs and the meditation is that I've now found peace from that. And I, I don't know if it's going to continue forever, but it is, it is definitely a piece that has just evaporated, uh, from, from thinking in a way that was very mentally unhealthy and negative to being able to just dissolve is the only word that I can think of it, just dissolve that way of thinking and being And that came from these beliefs about spirituality and why we're here and what we're here to do, uh, as well as the, the ongoing learning philosophy that I carry throughout my life.

Tatiana:

Mm hmm.

Rosie:

is very powerful.

Tatiana:

Absolutely. And I guess that, that leads nicely into how you feel this new perspective or approach has then enhanced the work that you do. And I love that we're coming at it from a different lens because a lot of these conversations I have are around the clinical space. So from an educational perspective or in the work that you do, how do you feel like it's enhanced your

Rosie:

Oh, it gives me goosebumps that question because in, there are so many ways it enhances it. One simple way is that life isn't actually a dichotomy about good or bad, or you are right, or you are wrong. Life is about degrees of understanding. Life is a process of learning and growth. Uh, and so I think in huge ways, it's reframed my whole mindset around it. Education and what that is I think the other way that it's really enhanced my work is through authenticity. So I have gone through life somewhat feeling like I wear a mask, you know, that imposter syndrome that people have.

Tatiana:

Yes. I've heard of it.

Rosie:

Yes, of us have. But it really, it gave me an authentic message and authenticity to respond and to be confident that my response was Valid and helpful and useful, even if it was different to someone else's response. And I think that in the work that I do, every single moment, I am engaged with a group who is learning. I find it so profound to look at them through the lens of their learning journey. And not be, not be confronted by them or, you know, back to the imposter syndrome, not feeling like, Oh, I don't know what I'm talking about, but actually maybe this person has something to teach me, I might be standing at the front of the room, but this could be someone who's about to teach me a very profound lesson, especially if I don't agree with them. Especially if we have a different perspective or point of view. And I think the, the part of me, the spiritual part of me really brings that lens to all of the work I do. It's not necessarily made explicit, but you know, I had a, a session I ran recently and the, the CEO of the company, after my first 45 minutes. He pulled his computer out and he sat down. He just started typing away. So I looked at it and I One side of my brain went off disengaged lost the CEO probably won't get asked to work here again But my my intuitive side said don't judge Ask the question when it's the right time. And so it wasn't the right time during the session to say, excuse me, why, why were you disengaging? Why were you on your computer? But at the end of the program, when I wrapped it up, I said, Oh, I'm really curious what it was that you were doing on your computer. And he said to me, Oh wow, Rosie, what you shared with me, I realized that I'd missed an entire message. Cause he said, I'm, I'm presenting next. And what you'd shared with me. Made me realize that I'm not communicating effectively to my staff and I have to completely change the way I'm talking to them. And so he was busy changing his slide deck while I was giving the rest of my presentation. And I said, that's so interesting because from where I'm standing, half of my brain went, Oh, disengaged, not, not enjoying this presentation. And I said, so it would be really interesting to think about what your colleagues were interpreting from that situation. The reason I share that story though is because a past version of me would have gone into anxiety, would have been worried that this person didn't like what they were getting or not happy what they paid for. And that anxiety would make me unable to move forward and grow and resolve. With this person, it would, I would be so worried about what they think or what might happen that I wouldn't have authentically been able to ask the question. And that's not something that is a worry for me anyway. This, you know, maybe, maybe I did stuff it up and that was my lesson, but that's how I perceive it. And that's what I'm kind of, the mindset I'm taking when I approach these, these situations.

Tatiana:

Yeah. Oh, I just love everything that you've just said because I agree. I think at the heart of our spiritual journey on earth, It is a process of learning, right? And even when we think about it psychologically, if you're looking at the challenges and the experiences that we have in life from that place of a curious student, what does this situation have to teach me? What can I learn from this challenge? Even if it's an, yeah, if our own internal conditioning challenges, you know, that's the way out. Otherwise we get stuck. And so your example illustrates so beautifully, right? Like you sat in curiosity in that example, and it moved you out of the, yeah, the condition, stuckness that anxiety would have kept you in if you allowed the narrative of, Like there's something faulty with me or with what I'm doing. It's not good enough to, to prevail. So that's beautiful.

Rosie:

Yes. Yeah. And I think that's what be the presence gives me. That's what the meditation gives me. Uh, there are still moments when I do have a, you know, Amygdala hijack in the words of, I think it's Dan Goldman. But I, I can take myself away go to the bathroom, calm myself down, and I can, using meditative practices, I can bring that state down very quickly now, and be present and be in the moment. And, I must say, it's a lot easier to do at work than it is with toddlers and young children running around. But. It's still an incredibly powerful tool that has served me well and has really unlocked this deep spiritual journey within.

Tatiana:

Mm. That's amazing. Uh, I think, I mean, we talked about these in the course, and a lot of the conversations that I've been having with other therapists on this podcast revolve around this fear, I think particularly here in Australia, that we have of owning our spiritual essence and our spiritual perspectives more openly. Is this a fear that you experienced yourself?

Rosie:

Uh, yes, I think in life in general, it is a fear and it, it's back to that example that I just shared about the, the man and the laptop. It's It's something that I need to learn to work around. And this is part of my learning right now. Right now in life, it is part of my meditation and reflective processes to think about how much do I share Because for me, the transformation is absolutely profound and I love sharing that with people, but it is not always right to share with everyone all the time. And because other people are not always at the right point in their journey to hear it the right way. And so I think what my Where my fear comes from is bringing it up in the right way for the right person at the right time.

Tatiana:

Mm.

Rosie:

And when I do, do that, I don't have fear. Uh, when I, when I jump in sometimes, I do have fear. Oh, should I, should I make that Facebook post about spirituality? Should I talk to this issue? And, I still have that fear, but my, my I guess, what would you call it? My antidote to that fear is usually around asking the question rather than telling the information. If that makes sense.

Tatiana:

Yeah, absolutely.

Rosie:

found that and, and it can be hard in a, in a situation where you're asked directly by someone about your spiritual beliefs or, uh, whatever it might be. And I don't actually feel that my role is ever to change anyone's belief system. Uh, I can only share mine and the journey I came to, to believe this and, and know this, but I find that asking. The question is so much more powerful than telling the answer. And I give a couple of examples of this in my life, because when it does come up, people, the spiritual conversation, people don't always know where to take it or what to ask. And I remember being and this is a little bit different cause it's actually around religion, not spirituality, but it, it came with the same veracity and I remember being a young child and saying, my parents aren't. And, you know, so what does that mean about heaven and hell? If my parents aren't Christians and the, usually it was a girl the same age as me in the youth group, and she said, well, it just means that your parents won't go to heaven or hell or they won't be anywhere and, but it's okay, cause you won't love them. And it was in that conversation, it was profound for me. He's like, well, I don't want that then I don't want those those guidelines to be told to me that I don't love my parents. And so here's a very crass example of a young kid trying to tell me about something about myself. And even, even as a older adult looking to explore spirituality in my early twenties I had a death in the family and the comment was made that, Oh, well, it's that person's choice to end. end their life. Then their life, what they meant was end their life contract. But again, being told that to me directly didn't, didn't fill me with ease, didn't help me to navigate the grief that I was experiencing. It made me angry actually. And so I think one of the challenges we have as therapists, psychologists, educators with the spiritual inclination is being careful of the dictation of information and beliefs. Because we know that Our own intuition is such a strong compass when it's nourished and guided and enriched. In fact, when I was reading a book, which I can talk to you later, but one of the first sentences in the book is if any of this book doesn't align to your intuitive feelings and messages, then you are welcome to disregard it. And so I felt like, for me, that was the first time someone had said to me, Your internal compass is there to guide you on your journey through your learning path and you will do it at the right time you need to do it. Uh, nowadays if someone says to me they passed away and that was the end of their life contract, I have a very different reaction. But that's only because I've gone through my own spiritual journey to get to a place where I hold and now have spiritual beliefs and perspectives about the workings of life. The esoteric world.

Tatiana:

Yeah. So on that note, what value do you see for those of us who work with people, right? Psychologists, therapists, educators, in a, in a capacity of nurturing and guiding other people, not just healing, but nurturing and guiding them as well to embrace their spiritual essence, or at the very least be more curious about spirituality.

Rosie:

Yeah, I think though there are two ways to come at it. One way is through the What are you here to learn whether you believe it from a spiritual point or not? That's that's a big value driver and that we have and so I would often talk to that point and help others question that, you know, these themes that keep reappearing in your life. What are they trying to tell you? What could be the message behind them? You know, the journaling with the higher self whether you explain it that way or not explain it that way, that sometimes helps to elicit these connections. So, I think that's part of it. Part of it is using the learning lens to help people. Think about these experiences in life and what they're trying to learn. I mean, another example that comes to mind is the, there's a spiritual teacher who was talking about controlled crying for babies and talking about it's a terrible thing we leave our children to cry and the impact on their spirit is very negative and You know, again, dictating a message around a particular scenario or strategy that's parents use. And my intuitive self got really upset by the message and the dictation of the message and thought, well hang on, what if it is part of the learning journey of that person to have that experience and that is part of the progress and growth that they actually need? And I find myself always asking this same question about all scenarios where we, where we're so judgmental, uh, we, We judge things so harshly, you know, you shouldn't do that. We should do this. I mean, the world is as it is, let's stop judging it. And let's start learning from the experience that we are having and trying to learn. So in a way that is curious and is open minded and is. Growth orientated. Uh, so I think that's probably where a lot of the lessons in my experience come from and where my spirituality shows up in my. In my work life.

Tatiana:

Yeah. Oh, so beautifully said. And, you know, as you're saying that, this idea of being judgmental, and you're right, like, I think we're very quick to judge and we judge very harshly. I'm even thinking of some of, some peers in our profession who, You know, they don't really hide their judgey side very well, you know, like most of the notifications that are made to our regulator are made by other psychologists, you know, we're all policing each other. And it's, it's very interesting to see how there's, there's so much scope there for yeah, to be more curious. And what's the word would you say? Compassionate? Communicating

Rosie:

yeah I know, I think it's being curious, compassionate and just removing judgment. It's removing the need to have a comparison all the time and to have an evaluation of what is right. I mean, So many things in our world are actually established and set up by multiple belief systems that we hold and it's the development of these belief systems and the sometimes crumbling of them that need to happen to stop us making that judgment. And I think if you perceive the world as a place where we are souls having a human experience to learn and to grow and to evolve and that is what I do fundamentally believe. It takes away the judgment because you start to say, what learning journey is that person on right now? And am I invested and engaged with it or, or am I not? You know, do I play a role and contribute and help in that process or do I not? And I think over time, the, the judgment part, it just seems to, Maybe lessen or, or reduce its importance because it's not necessarily about what is better and best, at least not in my philosophy. It's more about what is learned and what is gained through the process. And those messages align really beautifully to a lot of growth mindset, psychology and, and effort based practices in education over achievement based practices. So yeah, there is a lot of alignment there, but I do, I do wish and hope for a world that is less filled with judgment.

Tatiana:

Mm. Hear, hear. Yeah, I agree. I agree. So I guess on a final reflection, if you had to pick one transformative aspect of embracing spirituality more fully, Both on a personal and a professional level, what aspect would that be for you?

Rosie:

Hmm, I think probably the most transformational aspect, if you want to ask for a strategy, it's meditation.

Tatiana:

Yep.

Rosie:

If you want to ask for a philosophy, it's presence

Tatiana:

this.

Rosie:

and being present in the focus without judgement, as I was saying.

Tatiana:

the compass. Yeah.

Rosie:

and I think if there was an emotive part, it would be Love and acceptance, because you can't have all of those three things, those two things rather, without the love and acceptance of the situation you're in. Without the, the part of loving and unconditionally loving, you can't not judge, because you start to put yourself in that us versus them mindset. And so I think there's, you said one transformational aspect, but I think it's actually a combination. of transformational aspects. And the reason I give a combination of them is that for different people, any one of those three things is going to help them unlock the the message for them. To help others unlock this within themselves, I, I think they really need to, to find the first step strategy that works for them. And it isn't the same strategy for every person. And the best way to find your strategy is to go into your meditative state and go with your intuition, which is going to guide you with that.

Tatiana:

Oh, so beautiful. So well said Rosie. And I love that you've expanded on beyond the one, the one aspect, because it is, it's multifaceted, right? There's so much to be gained from this. You really straightened that beautifully. So I have this one last thing that I always ask my guests, which is to recommend a transformational. spiritual book that you would recommend to other listeners, I guess, to help them on their initial journey with exploring these concepts, if they're curious.

Rosie:

Yes. I think that's a very good question. And, uh, again, I won't give one answer. Because again, the reason for giving these different suggestions is because depending on where you are at in your learning journey, a book may not resonate with you at this particular point. In fact, the first book, The Power of Now Eckhart Tolle's, I know that's been recommended on a podcast before, but it is a very powerful book to start bringing your presence to the moment. And if I share that from my story, uh, that was, I've read the book twice. The first time it did not speak to me and, uh, it wasn't ready to hear it. And then I read it maybe five years later and it absolutely did speak to me. Uh, so I, I also, you know, with book recommendations, I think sometimes I've, I've had books sit on my shelf. Another book that was very profound was Becoming Supernatural, Joe Dispenza.

Tatiana:

Oh, yes. Mm

Rosie:

And that one sat on my bookshelf for about eight years, sat there. And I was like, why haven't I read that yet? And it, it just kept not. I wasn't drawn to it and then at a certain point I was and that was another step on my spiritual journey. And the last one of late, and this is the book I mentioned earlier where she says early on, if something doesn't resonate with your intuition, you can feel free to move on from that. And that's a book by a lady called Rebecca Campbell called Letters to a Starseed. And It's a beautiful book written in the form of letters to, to your soul and uh, messages to your soul. And a lot of her phrasing when I was reading it, it's very spooky because her turn of phrase, the use of language, the way she expresses herself is very aligned to the, what she's way I express myself and the language that I use. And so that that one is more for those who are on a deep, deep quest and the spiritual self and those messages. But there are three wonderful books that have, yeah, formed a part of that journey of transformation and unlocking for me.

Tatiana:

well, thank you for that. I'll add a link to all three books in the show notes. And I know Rebecca Campbell produces the most beautiful, card decks but I haven't read her book, which is interesting. So, I'll add the links in the show notes and I'm going to add the book to my pile of books to read.

Rosie:

Absolutely.

Tatiana:

Every ending I need to retire soon.

Rosie:

Don't we all?

Tatiana:

So I can read more. Speaking of books and we can edit this if you want me to, but did you want to speak about your spiritual books?

Rosie:

Yeah, sure, sure. I can do that. Yeah.

Tatiana:

So speaking of books, I know that you've got a project in the works at the moment on a series of books on spirituality. I'd love you to speak about that if you're, if you're willing to.

Rosie:

Yes. Absolutely. So, it links back to the conversation I was having earlier about. Talking to my son about spirituality and about, well, in its end conversation, what happens when you die and his fears around dying and what that meant. And, uh, but also other, other areas of life, like what does it mean to be a good friend and what, how do we deal with change? So with a dear friend of mine I actually wrote these books one day when my son was sick at home. from school and I had a sick day off from work. So I wasn't working and I said to my higher self, you know, what do I need to do today? And like a lightning bolt, the message was write six children's books. And I thought to myself, Oh, okay. All right. Thinking, That might take me a year, six children's

Tatiana:

Yeah.

Rosie:

And I asked the next question, what am I supposed to write these books on? And again, the message was very, very clear. It was about the soul. And, uh, so I've ended up with six books, that fall under the umbrella of the Soul Series. And these Soul Series books are picture books for children. The first one's called Know Your Soul which is about understanding the concept of a soul. And you can take the esoteric meaning of this, or you can also take the soul as being a metaphor for your inner voice, your inner compass. So know your soul is one of them. Heal your soul. So if you're feeling worried or you're having a hard time, how you heal your soul, how you connect your soul how you release your soul, meaning what happens when you pass on, how you evolve your soul, you change it over time. And my son's favourite one celebrate your soul. How you celebrate the differences and the uniqueness of what makes you special. So this is a work in progress, but I can send the link to the current landing page because I'm, I'm putting you can actually see the current demo of Release My Soul there. I flick through the pages. You can, you can read it along with it. But I'm hoping that these books really help bring the conversation of having a soul to young children. And my ultimate goal is to actually have a soul journal that goes with it, where they can use the messages in the books, but also apply These lessons in their lives for dealing with these challenges as they emerge. So yes, very happy to share that. It's a very pet project and work in progress. I'll definitely put that out there. But if you are a like minded parent or educator and working with children and want to be able to discuss these concepts, uh, this is hopefully one way to unlock the conversation. The books at the end of each book, there's some questions to help people further develop these conversations and, and have these have these chats with their young people. Perfect.

Tatiana:

a fascinating resource. I am already on the wait list for these books. I can't wait for them to be available. Cause you know, I've read a four year old niece that I would love to gift my daughter.

Rosie:

Yeah.

Tatiana:

Uh, but yeah, like I, if you can share the link with us, I'll add it to the show notes and then people can keep checking on its availability for when it's out there

Rosie:

Yeah. That's great.

Tatiana:

and we'll. How else can people, I guess, find you, find your work?

Rosie:

Yeah. So probably the easiest place to find me is on my website, which is www. ilearnforlife. com. And it's quite funny, even in the naming of my business, I, I even named it before I really fully understood the connection to spirituality. But the the work that I do is all about learning and understanding that you are, or we are all lifelong learners and that we want to be able to embrace learning positively and not, not have it stamped out of us. Like in so many sad situations it has been because of challenges we've had or environments we've been in but really Embrace the philosophy of learning to have a fulfilling and meaningful life. So that's probably the best place to find me.

Tatiana:

Thank you so much for sharing all of that with us. I will add all the links in the show notes so people can find you

Rosie:

My pleasure.

Tatiana:

and I am so grateful, Rosie, for you coming on. It's been a fantastic conversation as I expected that it would be. I love that we could bring this different perspective of, you know, education and learning and harnessing. the growth mindset and the, the eternal student in

Rosie:

Yes.

Tatiana:

navigating this life journey, this life lesson plan. Oh, this earthly lesson plan, I should say. So thank you so much again for your time and for joining us today. Any final thoughts?

Rosie:

My pleasure. I think my final thought is to encourage you to open up to the learning within, even if at times it is a bit challenging. You know that you can learn, you can change, you can grow and you can develop. And that is the beautiful message that is this life and the life that we have. So take it and use it wisely.

Tatiana:

Oh, beautifully said. Absolutely. Well, thank you so much again. And thank you all for listening. I hope you all have a lovely week and we'll speak soon.

Rosie:

Thanks Tatiana.

Tatiana:

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